Yesterday I went to my favorite clothing store, the Liz Claiborne outlet. I put on a pair of size 18w khakis, and they were TOO BIG!!! I've been hovering between 18w and 20w for years, and this winter I thought I was going to have to move up because even the 20w's were tight. I tried on the same khakis in 16w, and they fit...I couldn't believe it!! Not all of the 16w's on the rack fit, but the 18w's were definitely loose. HURRAH!!!!